That is exactly how his walking with Adam and Eve in the Garden is depicted. 2. The natural reading of arithmetic is that according to arithmetic. My guess is that they would not have had nearly enough animals to eat over their forty year wandering. The complete bible account of the story of Adam and Eve can be found in Genesis 1:26 to Genesis 5:5. This month we will look at Bible texts from Genesis to Revelation to reflect on what it means to walk with God. I believe it is very important to know what is and isnt in the Bible. (Gen. 3:8) Adam is placed in the garden to "cultivate (abad)" and "keep (samar)" it (Gen 2:15). Adam said, I heard the sound of you in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked, and I hid myself (Genesis 3:10, ESV). You say that since Gods coming is right after Adam and Eve sin, that His reason for coming is to proclaim judgment. Then God shared his thoughts to Abraham of judging Sodom and Gomorrah. Adam did hear Gods voice at another time. Ive enjoyed reading your article, the comments and your responses. Since the Bible doesnt make this claim, its impossible to know for sure where people get the idea from. In the later OT the Temple was the place of God's special presence where he made himself known and felt to Israel. I hope this helps. I completely agree that Adam and Eve had the freedom to obey or disobey regarding the forbidden fruit, but that doesnt really have anything to do with my point in this post. Maybe it is written somewhere else in other ancient writings? Thanks for your question. Not because I think Im right and feel holier than thou but it was just something burning in me saying NO. And whatever Adam called each living creature, that was its name.<<<<. (Vs. 21) Did the wind drive them out of the garden? " (John 1:18) . I know you didnt use the word constant but thats sort of the point in my article. Tim. In this environment, Adam and Eve had safety, abundant food, meaningful work and fellowship with God. Hi Nucc, Its not hard at all to see that Adams and Eves sins broke the right standing they had with God. God created Adam and Eve to care for His creation, populate the planet, and have a relationship with Him. Thanks for taking the time to read the blog post and for your kind words. Looking at that from an opposite perspective; Is it not also true that it is not stated they werent walking with God? Who were they conversing with? It says that he went to the land of Nod and then she conceived a son (Enoch). CLAIM #1: Tim, thank you for your commentary. the Word of God walked in Eden. Thats correct, and I write about that in my book, Fallen. He gives instructions and warnings and they fear Him when they disobey. This verse appears immediately after our first parents rebelled against the Creator. Of course, since God is capable of making physical appearances, but we need to be careful not to assert that the Bible directly teaches this. Thanks for caring about biblical accuracy. Im not a Greek or Hebrew expert, or even a student. I depend on what I can find on sites (currently I use biblehub.com). The Tree-of-Life was in the middle of the garden, also the Tree-of-Knowledge-of-Good-and-Evil. I would be with this item all day and be close to me at nite. God walked with Adam and Eve in the Garden (Gen. 3:8). Hi Ralph, Once God addresses him, then Adam could say, I heard the sound of You in the garden (Gen. 2:10, ESV). Thanks for your comments. It also seems to assume that they were in the garden for quite a while when they almost certainly were not there for long at all. God loved to come and take a walk in the garden in the evenings when the shadows were cool, and the flowers smelled sweet, and when all the animals came out to play. The problem with this scenario is that Adam and Eve were almost certainly not in the Garden very long. the Bible states that the man (species) was driven out of the Garden of Eden. Then let the land rest on the seventh year right? We know that the Israelites did eat some of their animals during the year. Adam and Eve and God literally walking next to each other in perfect harmony. Josh 5:13-15 - the commander of the LORD's army (compare Rev 19:9, 10) Dan 3:25 - the "Son of God" in the fiery furnace. Genesis 2:19 Your answer leaves many questions for me though Please explain the remaining context of Gen. 3 in Adams walk with God. Answer (1 of 21): The context once again gives the answer. Whats different, and merits the commentary, is not that God has for the first time come to walk in the Garden, but that for the first time his walking in the Garden is responded to in fear and hiding, due to sin. You read that correctly, the Bible never states that Adam and Eve walked with God in the Garden. Adam and Eve surely knew that the punishment for rebellion was deathand even if they didnt understand the fullness of that word, they knew it wasnt good. Because at this time there are only three people left from the list. Adam & Eve had been very naughty and they were hiding from the Lord!! 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.". I am not disagreeing and saying that Gods reason for coming was not to proclaim judgment, I am disagreeing by saying that we can not say for sure what Gods reason was for coming, Scripture doesnt clarify. God called (using a Hebrew word that also means "to summon") Adam to face . 18? Gen 3:8 - Adam walking with the Lord God in Eden. Either way, prior to sin there was not a fractured relationship between God and man, but there certainly is as a result of sin. This verse appears immediately after our first parents rebelled against the Creator. He was given power and authority by Father God to create the universe and all life within it. This is what most people have in mind when they speak of the Lord walking with Adam and Eve. Just because Adam and Eve had no sin they still were not privileged to seeing God in physical form. who knows perhaps it was. He could have done it audibly from the heavens, or He could have spent time with Adam in the garden. I appreciate your fidelity to Gods Word. God has, in certain instances, revealed Himself in bodily form. We cant know because the Bible doesnt speak to this at all. It doesn't come before, which furthers the notion that God would have been content with them being without clothes, at least provided they didn't eat from the Tree. Therefore, it is likely that Adam and Eve had been experiencing close fellowship with the Lord God. Christ exemplified the relationship that mankind should have with our heavenly Father and creator. 9 But the LORD God called out to the man, "Where are you?" 10 "I heard Your voice in the garden," he replied . Of course, Adam and Eve walked with God in the Garden, its written right there in Genesisumahis it 3? What if Adam and Eve were not human as we are today. 8 Then the man and his wife heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the breeze of the day, and they hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden. But even that would not prove that He took strolls with Adam. So there is no need to appeal to some sort of walk in the garden for them to know Gods voice. The only mention of walking in that part of Scripture is while Adam and Eve are hiding from God in the garden. 6398. Thanks for reading. It is definitely possible that the person in the Garden was the preincarnate Christ. Its about urging people to take a closer look at the text so that they do not make false claims about it. Do you think that statement is a stepping stone for misleading Gods people? Maybe they did, but the text doesnt tell us that. One of my Bible study ladies commented about the command to not eat of the fruit lest they die as possibly being a mystery to Adam and his wife. It seems from Scripture that they lived on manna exclusively. Genesis 2 describes Adam and Eve's first homethe Garden of Eden. As you know, I couldnt find it. Is it that they are referred to as sons of God? holy ones? Thats not exactly a clear cut and dry case, beyond dispute, based on those sparse details. If that suggestion is accurate, then it would have been a physical presence of God coming in judgment, similar to how He spoke from the whirlwind in Job. But what did they actually hear that made them afraid? But this does nothing to prove that they walked with God in the garden. It is meant to point out to people that the text doesnt say what so many people have claimed that Adam and Eve walked with God in the garden. From this view, Adam and Eve were with God in the Garden for a whileand they had the privilege of regularly hanging out with Him. is not an accurate analogy. In fact, nearly as soon as the Lord have man the woman they went together directly to the forbidden tree (as soon as God turned aside to rest from all the work of His creation) they were tempted, took the fruit and ate it. But what did they actually hear that made them afraid? 10 He answered, "I heard you in the garden. But Im not arguing that this is how He did appear. The main point of this entire post is to encourage Christians to look closely at Scripture, so that they will stop saying, The Bible says Adam and Eve walked with God or something very similar. Never stop, word will not go void! Adam and Eve were the first human beings, from whom every other human being descends. (Genesis 3:8). Hi Greg, I will make a helper suitable for him" ( Genesis 2:18 ). Why would anyone ask such a silly question? On the sixth day of Creation, God created 'man' in the form of Adam, moulding him from 'the dust of the ground' (Genesis 2:7), breathing the breath of life into Adam's nostrils. How cool would that be! 1 They Could DECIDE Genesis 3:2-3. Interesting post. Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked, so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves. Keep up the good work brother, the TRUTH shall be the only thing that sets us free. 4. That God would withhold his presence before they sinned, but then come down among them only after they sinned, seems counter to the biblical teaching of God drawing near to the righteous and drawing back from the unrighteous. In a similar way, we are told in the New Testament to walk in the Spirit (Galatians 5:16). We are lonesome here, and it is difficult for us to remember how much You love us.' . But why wouldnt the Israelites use the animals for sustenance-milk,meat,skins, etc. They may have done that, and I wouldnt have any problem with it. Tim please do a small word study on walking and when you do you will find that walking refers to a living relationship with the said persons mentioned . I was scanning Gen 2&3 to use the text where God walked with Adam in the garden. I have a problem with Christians continually repeating that the Bible says they walked with God in the garden because it doesnt say that. For example, Enoch walked with God (Genesis 5:22, 24) and Noah walked with God (Genesis 6:9). If Im narrating a scene, I can write that the main character heard a certain sound (e.g., an approaching truck or an army on the march) before the character realizes what it is that he is hearing. When God asked them how they knew they were naked, and asked them if they had eaten from the tree they were not to. To find out why God made you we have to look in the Bible. I think all conservative Christians would agree that this happened. Weve arrived at a very similar conclusion very recently that Adam and his wife or help-meat very possibly disobeyed their creators command not to eat of the fruit of tree in the midst of the garden the first day they were placed there. Far too many people run around claiming, The Bible says Adam and Eve walked with God in the garden, but as Ive pointed out, it doesnt say that. Lord God (pre-incarnate Jesus Christ) was also the burning bush that app. Thanks for your focus on this and for sharing the fruits of your consideration of the passage. However, most people inevitably mention . We did not know, nor trained ourselves to do that and now see our own child in the consequences. They were created pre-programmed by God. It would be far better to use a supporting argument that has a strong biblical basis. For the record, I strongly reject such a notion. (Vs. 14) Did this wind also clothe Adam and Eve with skins from an animal that had to be killed? But we need to be careful not to assert that the Bible directly teaches this. Therefore, We also should not assume that God was at their beck and call so that He would come around for a stroll with them whenever they wanted Him there. Not all of the time of course, how else would they have rebelled against Him. While its true they could have been over 120 years old when Cain killed Abel, they also could have been any age from very young up to 120+. "Walked with God" is a favorite expression in Genesis, depicting the righteous conduct of Israel's heroes, including Enoch, Noah, and Abraham. When He asked them why they hid they answered Him. The idea of God openly talking and physically walking with Adam and Eve is that God is interested in humans and want to develop a close friendship with them. Walking with God means you are in agreement with Him and His ways ( Amos 3:3 ). Like I mentioned before, I dont have a problem with the idea that they may have walked with God in the garden. In spite of being familiar with scripture, I never noticed that it doesnt exactly say this. Haha very eye opening. Then something happened. Hi Sam, That would be really cool. Genesis 3:8-9 . I also see or notice (for first time) that the description occurred after the fall & is only described once. When I was young I remember the most favorites of things I would get for Christmas. I happened on this post because the thought came to my mind that God only walked with Adam, not EveI do not know why I had the thought, and I had not checked Gods Holy Word on the issue, but I read your article which partly validated my thought in an unexpected way. If He was walking, then this must have been a theophany - a pre-incarnate appearance of the Second Person of the Trinity. I know when I say that Adam walked with God in the Garden, I mean to say that God spent time with them, not literally walking in the garden, God doesnt walk, He is Spirit! AMOS 3:3 CAN 2 WALK TOGETHER UNLESS THEY BE AGREED? For example, Enoch walked with God (Genesis 5:22, 24) and Noah walked with God (Genesis 6:9). This concept is very helpful and it incorporates all of the othersintelligence, communication, worship, dominion, an eternal soul. If you eat from the tree in the middle of the garden, you will die!". thank you so much. 4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, when the Lord God made the earth and the heavens. I believe this issue is often promoted by people with certain theological perspectives who want to show how much damage sin did to our relationship with God. It was a choice that they both made in full knowledge of what was right and wrong. No one is perfect, but when you are walking with God your desire should be to see your own selfish desires die for the sake of seeing God transform you more and more into the image of His Son: "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. What do you think?? Like your parents can be in the house with you and not in the same room but you can clearly hear them in another part of the house. Let me shine light on tis section you have written: If you will count the number of people listed as being created, you will find Adam #1, Eve #2 then Cain #3 and Able #4. so thats a total of four people listed as being on the Earth. I have been following the comments on this article for several years, and I want to say how much I appreciate your kind and faithful answers. This post isnt about whether they enjoyed fellowship with Him prior to sin and walked with Him in a metaphorical sense. Thanks for your comments. I think this point has to be acknowledged regardless of whether you think the sound is God walking in the cool of day or God manifesting himself in a strong wind. Other Biblical accounts clearly show this - as it is God who speaks with, walks with, and assist humans to discover His nature and His love. The Bible even indicates that God may have taken on a physical form in order to walk with Adam and Eve in the garden (Genesis 3:8). Im not sure where you got the idea that Im hellbent on trying to make a point of saying that Adam and Eve did not walk with God. I have no problem with the idea that Adam and Eve may have walked with God, which is what I stated in the conclusion of the post and in several follow-up comments. As I mentioned in the conclusion of the article, it is certainly possible that the Lord walked with Adam and Eve, and if He did, then it may well have been the preincarnate Christ who walked with them. "Until the cool of the day when the shadows flee away, Turn, my beloved, and be like a gazelle. I even pointed out that when the Bible speaks of Enoch and Noah walking with God it should be understood in the figurative sense of them living godly lives (as opposed to taking physical strolls with Him). I love my time with Him and when Im not with Him I want to do the right thing by Him, unlike Adam and Eve! #2 They both "saw" their nakedness. The Lord can speak out of it and He can perform any other functions, such as making coats of skins, while in that form. God appeared and revealed Himself in many different ways throughout the Old Testament. This would still fit with the idea of God coming in judgment, which was given as a possibility in the article. IMV they were walking in the IMAGE for which God created them with the FREE WILL to CHOOSE. You could be hiding with the Lord standing (figuratively speaking)right in front of them, and they wouldnt know. We "Walk With God" in Meditating upon His Word. This would have been after God made Eve and Adam awoke and uttered the words in Genesis 2:23. Simply quoting Genesis 3:8 does not disprove the point of my post since that verse never says that they walked with God. If used in this sense, Adam and Eve did walk with God prior to sin because there was no fracture in their relationship with God. If you had bothered to read the post, you would have read these words: Daniel, In my searching I found your website and I am so glad I did. God's presence is also noted by . Adam and Eve's Separation from God . The Hebrew verb, halak, is translated as "walking" in this passage. Seems to me there was plenty of interaction & communication between Adam (& Perhaps Eve) and God. I would assume that they drank goats milk during this time as well. Thanks again for reading! God created human beings to have fellowship with him. I would think that they received one on one instruction from God. I believe one of the biggest weapons used against it is when secular opponents are more aware of the accuracy of the passages like this than we Christians who misuse and misquote them. In fact, earlier this week during a Q&A session, one of the guests asked about Adam walking with God in the garden. Can you show me some similar articles? Of course, since I work in a ministry that emphasizes Genesis 111, Im going to hear it more than most people. The Genesis account contains provocative clues as to what Adam and Eve lost by withdrawing from God. You are essentially appealing to an argument from silence. But what comes to my mind is why would you choose this debated part to address the concern. Later that day, God was walking in the Garden of Eden. An additional notable commentary is that God made Adam in His image and likeness, and imbued him with His Spirit the breath of life. Im glad to know that what you are able to recognize what I hope to accomplish whenever I respond to people. Regardless of whether you translate the disputed phrase as cool of the day or strong wind, the text still says that God was walking in the cool of the day / wind (of the day). Who was Cain afraid of? No the bible didnt directly say they walked with God. I think too many people are confused about what it means that something is directly stated, or implied, or that we might infer, etc. As I mentioned in my post, I have absolutely no problem with the idea that they might have walked with God in the garden. The anthropomorphic description of God walking (mithallek) in the garden suggests the enjoyment of fellowship between him and our first parents. Both Adam and Eve, and all humans today, were made in God's image (Genesis 1:26-27; 5:1). Why? Lets take a teacher in a class room full of students, then have the teacher leave the room, chaos will ensue, amen? 2. And maybe that is it, people just want to believe they they did as that is such a powerful feeling knowing God is walking with you. And then. My main point throughout has been to direct people back to Scripture to see what it really says. Adam was ashamed to stand before God as he was now a sinner who was about to face his righteous God. If they dont walk with him no blessing no rain no food and punishment 7 times more. Like a child jumping in his fathers arm as he comes home from work. I believe whenever we read the words The Word of the Lord came to such and such prophet, that means Jesus (who is the Word of God)literally came to that individual as Jesus appeared to John on the Island of Patmos. Again, nothing in Scripture tells us that they walked with God or carried on a conversation with Him. But there is no need to make the text say something it doesnt. Its encouraging to know that my words have been very helpful for you. What does it mean for God to walk with them? Thanks for the kind words. The chronology of the genealogy of the man is followed throughout the Bible. WHY? they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the gardenThe divine Being appeared in the same manner as formerlyuttering the well-known tones of kindness, walking in some visible form (not running hastily, as one impelled by the influence of angry feelings). They heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of . To spend time with Him. Hi Mel, 9 And JEHO. Adam (perhaps Eve too) was familiar with Gods presence. If He did or didnt is still and can always be up for discussion , its a gut instinct in me that says no but at the end of the day Im just glad Im saved and can sort it out when I get to Heaven! So no, I will not take down this post or apologize for it, unless you can actually show me where the Bible says that they did walk with God. You can see from the above that God decreed several things for Adam to honour and obey. And in Genesis 3:10 Adam heard that familiar sound (be it foot steps, voice, wind or otherwise) & hid. 9 The Lord God called to the man and asked him, "Where are you?". Adam and Eve's "murder" was considered by Jesus to be at the "beginning," not the end, of geologic time. Because the Bible never says that Adam and Eve walked with God. Now we do not see You any more. They could not walk in the garden naked anymore, and they had to defend their actions. I agree with you that we cannot say with certainty that God walked with them, I am just here to point out that the language suggests a repetitive habit of God. Thanks for reading and sharing your thoughts. On page 57 of Heaven you say Before the Fall, God came to Eden to visit with Adam and Eve (Genesis 3:8). This passage refers to God walking in the Garden after Adam and Eve have fallen, but before God has confronted them. He gives them clothes in Verse 21 because the evil deed, of eating from . In that claim, I put your OWN verbatim in single quotes. The NRSV's rendering makes the time more explicit, "at the time of the evening breeze" (also REB). Thanks for your thoughts. They may have walked with Him prior to the Fall, but it just doesnt say that. The goal of this post is to encourage people to take a closer look at the Bible instead of repeating what theyve heard. ~~~~~ There are other passages in Scripture about those who did walk with God. If youre interested, heres the link: https://answersingenesis.org/jesus-christ/incarnation/theophanies-in-the-old-testament/ Walking with god is living with god he makes it very clear how we are to walk with him. The texts of Genesis 1-3 outright tell us ONLY what is necessary for our understanding of the events from Creation to the Fall, not of side issues that mean nothing for a proper interpretation of these texts. Moses was only granted the backside of Jesus. Because Adam and Eve had eaten the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, the Lord sent them out of the Garden of Eden into the world. And how many times is this a supporting argument for a main point or the main point itself? What is the one thing that He values the most, as we know it? I too feel in my sosirt that God did not walk physically. Of course, from this view God was perceiveably with the pre-Fallen Adam and Eve, so that they had the privilege of regularly hanging out with Him. But Adam and Eve were almost certainly not in the Garden very long prior to their Fall. Do you think the lord actually cares if pastors are saying Adam and Eve did walk with God? How do I know? It seems likely that many people have just remembered some of the wording in this verse and assumed that it says Adam and Eve walked with God. I have no problem with that. So again, lets not be naive to think that God didnt spend time with them! 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